Deposits, notice periods, and quoting a custom cake without guessing. How Philippine home bakers take orders online and stop losing Saturdays to no-shows.
Sailo team12 min read
Someone messaged at 11pm asking for a two-tier cake "this Saturday po", sent a photo of something with sugar flowers on it, and asked how much. You've been staring at the message for twenty minutes.
The answer to the whole problem is four rules. Quote from the number of servings, never from the photo. Set a minimum notice period and put it on the page, not in your head. Take at least 50% as a non-refundable deposit that reserves the date. And cap how many decorated cakes you'll take per Saturday before the messages start, not after.
That last one is the real business. You aren't selling cakes, you're selling Saturdays, and there are 52 of them. A ₱450 bento cake and a ₱4,800 two-tier both consume the same scarce thing: your finishing time on the morning of the day. Price and schedule accordingly and this works. Don't, and you'll spend December in tears.
Write down how long each kind of order actually takes you, counting backwards from pickup.
| Order type | Realistic minimum notice | Why |
|---|---|---|
| Bento cake, simple | 2 days | Bake, chill, smooth, pipe. One afternoon plus a chill |
| 6" or 8", buttercream, simple design | 3 to 4 days | Bake day 1, fill and crumb coat day 2, finish day 3 |
| Custom design, figures, fondant work | 7 days | Fondant pieces need days to dry before they'll stand |
| Two tier | 10 days | Everything above, plus dowelling, plus a dry run if it's new |
| Wedding | 4 to 6 weeks | Tasting, contract, delivery plan, and a backup plan |
Publish those. Put the notice period on the order page so a Wednesday buyer can see that Saturday isn't available without messaging you at all. If you sell through a shop link, set it up the way a service booking works: a date picker with a notice period, so the calendar itself refuses the dates you can't serve. Sailo's service listings do exactly that, with duration, location, a date picker and a notice period, and the general method is in how to take bookings for a service.
Then have a rush fee, published, at 30% or 40%, available only when the calendar genuinely allows it. A published rush fee turns "sorry, I can't" into "I can, but it's ₱1,900 instead of ₱1,400", and a surprising number of people pay it. It also stops the people who were going to ask you for a favour.
The photo tells you the design. It tells you nothing about the size, and size is most of the price.
Ask five questions before you give any number. Every time, in the same order:
Question five feels rude and it is the most useful one. Somebody who says ₱1,500 and sends a photo of a ₱9,000 cake is not being difficult, they just have no reference. You can answer honestly: "I can do a version of that at ₱1,500. The gold leaf and the sugar flowers are what make that one expensive, so I'd do it with a smooth finish and fresh flowers instead. Here's a photo of a similar one I've done."
That reply wins the order more often than a flat quote does, and it costs you nothing.
Servings, roughly, for standard round cakes cut for a party:
Price per serving with a floor. A minimum order price protects you from the ₱400 job that eats a whole afternoon. Set the floor at whatever an hour of your finishing time plus materials is worth, and don't apologise for it.
Fifty percent, non-refundable, paid before the date is blocked. The balance before the cake leaves your house.
The reason is not distrust. It's that the moment you accept a Saturday order, you've stopped selling that Saturday to anyone else, and you've bought ingredients for it. If the buyer disappears on Friday you've lost both. A custom cake with someone's name piped on it has a resale value of exactly zero.
Say it in one line, in the same words every time: A 50% deposit reserves your date. It isn't refundable because your date stops being available to anyone else. People accept that immediately when it's explained as a reservation rather than a penalty.
Mechanically, list the deposit as its own item at half the quoted price and send the buyer straight to it. The order then exists as a record with a date and an amount rather than as a promise buried forty messages up a chat thread. The balance is a second payment, and you collect it the day before, not on the doorstep, because collecting money while carrying a cake is how cakes get dropped.
The full method for deposits, including how much to take on different kinds of work and what to do when someone asks for it back, is in taking a deposit before you start. The quoting side of bespoke work is in getting paid for a custom order.
Real-ish numbers for an 8" buttercream cake with a simple design, sold at ₱1,700:
| Line | Cost |
|---|---|
| Flour, sugar, eggs, butter for the sponge | ₱260 |
| Buttercream, chocolate or filling | ₱210 |
| Imported cream cheese, if it's that kind of cake | ₱180 |
| Cake board, box, ribbon, topper | ₱95 |
| Electricity and gas for oven time | ₱45 |
| Materials | ₱790 or so |
Your time: about 45 minutes of baking, an hour of filling and crumb coating, and an hour and a half of finishing. Call it three and a quarter hours. At ₱1,700 you're clearing ₱910 on the cake, which is about ₱280 an hour before delivery and before the messages.
That's respectable, and it's why the volume question matters so much. Four decorated cakes on a Saturday is roughly thirteen hours of hands-on work across Thursday, Friday and Saturday morning, and it's about ₱3,600 of margin. Six cakes is not 50% more money, it's an all-nighter and a mistake on one of them.
Two things reliably wreck the maths. Imported dairy prices move, so recheck your cream cheese and butter costs every couple of months rather than quoting from last year's numbers. And the "small extra" requests, a topper, a name board, a few extra flowers, each take fifteen minutes and are almost never charged for. Put them on the price list at ₱150 or ₱200 so that saying yes has a number attached.
One email on pricing, photographs, delivery and getting paid. No pitch, no filler.
A tiered cake goes in a car, on the flat floor behind the front seat, with the air conditioning on. It does not go on a motorcycle. The ₱180 you save booking a bike instead of a car is the ₱4,800 cake you'll be remaking overnight, and buttercream in Manila traffic at 1pm behaves like soft ice cream.
Rules that come from actually having done this:
For pickup orders, give a window and hold it. "Saturday 10am to 12pm at the house" is a window. "Saturday" is how you end up waiting until 7pm.
The Saturday pile-up. Three orders for the same Saturday, all accepted in different chat threads, none written in a calendar. This is the most common way a small cake business collapses, and it's solved by having one calendar that the order page itself writes into.
December. Christmas party season plus reunions plus birthdays. You will be asked for twenty cakes in the week before Christmas. Decide your December cap in October, publish a cut-off date for December orders, and hold it. The same applies to graduation season and to Mother's Day, where every single order wants the same Sunday morning.
The photo that isn't yours. Posting other bakers' cakes as inspiration is fine if you say so. Posting them as your work is a matter of time before someone in a Facebook group recognises it, and the Philippine baking groups are large, active and unforgiving. Photograph your own work, even the imperfect ones.
The customer who wants to change the design on Friday. Have a cut-off for design changes: 48 hours before pickup, after which it's whatever was agreed. Write it into the deposit message so it's not a surprise.
The no-show. The deposit covers your materials. Message once, hold the cake until the end of the day, then it's yours. Bento cakes without names on them can be sold same-day at a discount in your group.
Joanne sells three things: bento cakes at ₱480, 6" cakes at ₱1,150, and 8" cakes from ₱1,700. She takes orders through a Facebook page and a shop link, with a 3-day notice period and a Saturday cap of four decorated cakes plus up to eight bentos.
A normal week is 8 bentos and 3 larger cakes. That's ₱3,840 plus roughly ₱4,500, so about ₱8,340 of revenue and around ₱4,300 of margin for maybe sixteen hours of work across three days. She teaches on weekdays; this is a Thursday-to-Saturday business.
Deposits are 50% by GCash, balance on pickup day before the cake goes out. She keeps one spreadsheet with a row per order: date, customer, cake, total, deposit received, balance received, delivered. Nothing gets baked until the deposit row is filled in.
What changed her year: she stopped accepting fondant character cakes. They were her highest-priced work at ₱3,500 and up, but each one took nine hours across three evenings, the figures cracked in the humidity about a third of the time, and the customers were the most anxious. Dropping them cut her revenue by about 15% and gave her back two evenings a week. She's more profitable per hour now than when she was busier.
Most of her orders still start in a Facebook group comment. The rules for turning that into an order that doesn't get lost are in selling on Facebook groups.
Sailo has no GCash rail. The full list of payment rails is card, WhatsApp, Telegram, Instagram, email, phone, bank transfer and cash on delivery, and that's all of it. What you can do is put your GCash number and name into the bank transfer instructions with the exact deposit amount and a reference, which is what most Philippine sellers do and it works perfectly well. Just be clear about what's happening: Sailo is holding your menu, your dates and your order records, and your phone is holding the money. It cannot tell you a GCash payment landed. You check that yourself, and you mark the order paid yourself.
Card payments, for the buyers who want them, cost 3% of the goods on the free plan and 1% on Business. On eleven orders a week the upgrade pays for itself. On three, it's a subscription buying you very little, and taking deposits by GCash is the better answer until your volume says otherwise.
Open a calendar and block out the next eight Saturdays. Write your cap on each one. Four decorated cakes, or three, or whatever your Friday evening can actually carry.
Then write your five quoting questions into a note on your phone so you can paste them the next time someone sends a photo at 11pm, and write your deposit line in the words you'll use every time. Put the notice period and the rush fee on your order page where a buyer can read them before they message you.
If cakes are only part of what you make, and you're also selling cookies, bread or brownies alongside them, those are a different kind of business with a different rhythm, and the split is worked through in how to start selling baked goods from home.
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